More Proof of CBC Bias...
A very interesting phenomenon on This Hour Has 22 Minutes this week - the whole show wasn't spent slamming Stephen Harper and the Conservatives!
Was there a format change you ask? No, it was a "Best Of" special:
On this week's This Hour Has 22 Minutes:
The votes are in. Tune in to witness democracy in action - see the clips you voted for in our Best Of special Tuesday, Feb. 20th
Very interesting...22minutes mainly consists of anti Conservative left-wing propaganda, however when the PEOPLE decide which clips to watch there was none of this! (There was only one clip "Leave it to Stever" that was mildly amusing, but only for the "Leave it to Beaver" parody.)
I guess this once again proves how out of step the CBCs left wing slant is for most Canadians...
Was there a format change you ask? No, it was a "Best Of" special:
On this week's This Hour Has 22 Minutes:
The votes are in. Tune in to witness democracy in action - see the clips you voted for in our Best Of special Tuesday, Feb. 20th
Very interesting...22minutes mainly consists of anti Conservative left-wing propaganda, however when the PEOPLE decide which clips to watch there was none of this! (There was only one clip "Leave it to Stever" that was mildly amusing, but only for the "Leave it to Beaver" parody.)
I guess this once again proves how out of step the CBCs left wing slant is for most Canadians...
posted by alsocanadian at 11:16 AM
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I caught it too last night. It was actually bearable to watch!
Suzuki was on RMR before, that was kind of funny too.
Oh come on. When the Liberals were in power, the show bashed the Liberals.
They make fun of whoever is in power.
"Most Canadians are left wing,"
"Don't let you're individuality be defined by the ism's define them yourself"
As long as you're left wing, though!
Notloz, www.proudtobacanadian.ca does not represent the Conservative Party of Canada. It is a Canadian right-wing blog and represents itself and its contributors. I think you have just show what type of "political or philosophical education" you have.
Please start your own blog and post your communist propaganda there so I can ignore it at my own leisure. Your comments are nonsensical, do not present any counter arguement, are always completely off topic, and are repetative and abusive. In your world, if we sounded to much like americans, would your communist government deport us or would you just run us over with tanks?
btw, I've done several of those simplistic 'political compass' test and I always come up with the same thing, centre-right with strong Libertarian tendencies. Just because my test comes out that way I'm not stupid enough to assume everyone elses will.
My economic matrix support structure aligns themselves with the policy inputs from these ism's which define themselves as being a super structure imputes/rhetorical connectiveness to the systemization of our labor forces propagation.
How's that for a counter to your reasoned arguments, Notlotz!
Notloz,
I do not see how you can say you are a libertarian and yet talk of our labor force as if it were a conglomerate of like minded individuals who all have the same wants and needs. As a libertarian you should want people to organize themselves as they see fit, not as the academic elite sees fit. You say we can chose to organize our labor anyway we want, but what happens when the labor doesn't want to act that way? When people are given freedom to choose, they choose a liberal democracy that uses a capitalist economic model. It is not perfect but it is the one that works best in the real world. We live in a world not of academic models but of huge complexities where even the smartest of us cannot fathom the whole, nor predict it. We are a product of evolution and ever slowly get better over time until our time is over. What works best becomes dominant for a time until something better replaces it. When we try to plan that replacement, we find that we have missed some of the variables and try to correct. Sometimes this works, sometimes it’s a disaster. I think your biggest mistake is that you feel if everyone knew what you knew, and was as smart as you, they would have no other choice but to see the clarity of your argument and agree. People are not like that, we all have a slightly different point of view and you must take that individual choice into consideration. People could right now decide to live off the land and live as the Amish do, but most people, although they dream of the simple life, are much happier living with all of our modern conveniences and higher survival rates, and don’t kid yourself, this is a choice that people make. They are not coerced or hoodwinked. People are much smarter than you give them credit for.
“So now you try to validate the systemization of our labor forces in and economic system that does not recognize individuals or the environment.
If this line of thought is true then why would you validate a nihilistic system that does not even have to recognize mankind itself?”
I do not believe that line of thought is true. Our economy, and not some theoretical economic model of ‘capitalism’, has many regulations on how people and the environment are treated. They may not go far enough for you, but they do recognize it in the law. I think you are overly focused on a theoretic economic model and not society as a whole. The society has laws that recognize our rights as living beings as well as our need to protect our environment and the society itself.
You berate me for stigmatizing you, yet you accused me as being a neo-conservative bible thumper as you have branded all us non-intellectual conservatives. I am a right wing libertarian who happens to be an atheist. I'm sure the 'authoritarian fascists' that you have just stigmatized would be gleeful by your hypocrisy. Those in glass houses should not cast stones.
As for your claiming that left thinking is more intellectual, I would say that type of bigoted stereotype is not very useful. I think all sides of the political spectrum have their share of genius as well as their share of idiots. I would say that the left has a fair share of people who cannot see past their own ‘economic matrix’ and just believe all of the left wing drivel that comes out of our media. I agree that the media is pro-corporation, as its large corporations that usually own the various media outlets, but politically, they are mostly left. I would however say that a few right wingers would agree that you can think of epistemology and philosophy at your leisure after you have earned your own keep as well as that of your family, and hopefully lent a hand to those less fortunate.
"Only about 5% of left wingers align themselves with authoritarianism." You do live in Canada don't you? The left wingers in Canada are increasingly statist. As for your comments about blogs and their grassroots connections to the US, just because those are your observations do not mean that Stephen Harper is getting his marching orders from the US. In order to see a the cause and effect, you would have to be involved in the decision making of the Conservative party. Its pretty obvious that blogs that are inspired by the success of the right-wing blogs in the US would have something in common. This does not mean that Stephen Harper makes all his decisions based on the blogging tories. Its easy to make assumptions based on your own observations and your own biases, but that does not make them correct. Conspiracy theories abound. Don’t believe the hype.
Now, can you please just get your own blog because I’m wasting way to much time on this. I think if you were so assured of your arguments you would put them out there for all to debate and not just the few who read the comments on our little way station on the blogshere.
Only a Tory would be able to attain power, lead in the public polls, and execute an agenda; and yet still find a reason to play the role of a victim. Quit crying.
"Only a Tory would be able to attain power, lead in the public polls, and execute an agenda; and yet still find a reason to play the role of a victim."
I dunno, I've seen it with liberals in power too.
Oh, and nothing gets a high like berating the opposition, apparently, judging by the long-winded comments here.
Hey tom, leave em be. The more time he wastes on here the less rabble rousin he does in the "real world"...
Thanks for the Validation guys!
Sorry for feeding the trolls, I was too caught up in trying to score argu4ment points. My reply will be clear and concise this time...
Zolton,
I can easily say that all of what you write is rhetoric and lies. You make statements that you surely can’t prove. You are going on intuition and I believe that you are letting your emotions make choices for you. Is this true? Well its very hard to disprove the above statements isn’t it. It is however a very convenient way of dismissing an argument without actually refuting it.
There is no way I can definitively prove that the current system we have is the best. I would be sad if it was the best. What I am saying is that it’s the best that we have ever had on this earth up until now and hopefully we will keep improving it. Now, you are really good at peeling back the layers of other peoples motives and philosophies, but you haven’t presented many details of your own. You talk of sustainable living, ok, I’m all for that, tell me how? Lets hear your proposal for a better world. It’s a lot easier to attack than defend.
I think the flaw in your argument is that you think people have been conned into their current lifestyle. I believe that they have chosen it. Its convenient to have conspiracy theories to dismiss things that you don’t want to believe. You think that people don’t watch philosopher king movies (or the CBC, as their ratings prove) because ‘the man’ doesn’t allow it. I argue that what the people want they get, for good and bad, and that people don’t want to think as deeply as you do as a survival mechanism. If you want mass suicides, make people read the same stuff you do. People want security, you call this greed. When people have more money and power, they are less at the whim of nature and the rest of society and have more options which lead to better chances of survival. We have not evolved that much in the last few thousand years, I think we will need to wait a few thousand more before we are ready to give up our biological ancestry for your brave new world.
Ok, That was longer than I thought it would be, in short, notloz or zolton or whomever you are, if your way was better, the collective wisdom of 8 thousand years of humanity would have adopted it already, through competition and cooperation, and maybe they will someday and you will be proven correct, but until then, lets trust ourselves to correct the shortcomings with the model we have.
Btw, you are not arguing here against right-wing ideology. There are a lot of left wingers that would disagree with you as well. I think you need to refine your political definitions and realize that you do not speak for the left wing, but a small portion of it. That and you make way to many assumptions that are based on personal observation and your emotions. These assumptions are not fact and you definitely do not offer enough evidence for any one to make the same conclusions as you do.
"The choices we make (our individualism) are micro aspects of this macro machine running our lives. I can choose what school I go to, but if I don't go to school, chances are I'll have a hard time functioning in western society.
Trump."
There is no trump, you can move to a different society if this one does not suit you, you just have to expect to pay your own way and earn your own keep once you get there. Many people ‘live off the grid’ so to speak in western societies, they are just willing to make the sacrifices that entails, again, look at the Amish.
"Dr. Richard O'Connor writes about how current society, and the pressures of the economic system are too much for our nervous, and mental systems to handle, which is why we've seen such a drastic increase in depression and suicide in western society. Yet the economist would make it seem like life was never better, because our GDP has been rising every year for the last 50 years."
Again, you just jump to conclusions based on speculation and correlations instead of causation. I can argue that maybe suicide rates increase because we have too much time on our hands to ponder philosophical questions and become nihilistic. Should we force people to have less free time or should we ban french philosophy? I could argue that since we don’t have to worry about our mortality as much due to advances in medicine and relative political and economic stability that we are not in constant fear for our lives and thus take the time we have for granted. Its all speculation.
"Unfortunately, because of our insistent ignorance, we will never realize our fate until it's too late."
The anthem of fear mongers throughout history. To be honest, you sound like a decent enough guy, which is why I’ve given you the benefit of the doubt and taken the time to respond to you. I just think that our perspectives are so different and that our assumptions just cannot be accepted by the other to ever find common ground and thus debating is rather pointless. We cannot convince each other and we each feel that we have ‘won’ our respective sides of the argument. If that is the case, how can there be resolution?
I say a good ol fashion chainsaw duel...
Hey...NotloZ has discovered the spellchecker!
Ok I was trying to be nice, but here is a much simpler way of putting it: I do not accept your premises and your assumptions on reality. Period, the end. It is not my life’s ambition to be your sounding board or to validate your existence. Personally I do not think you really exist but are a figment of my self-loathing subconscious.
"...refuse to admit things aren't as perfect as they seem."
I've never refused to admit this, I have stated a few times that change for the better is good (did you actually read my rebuttals?), I just don't think you offer anything better.
"Unfortunately you are unable to come up with real arguments to counter what I've said, and resort to sarcastic babble"
I figured if you can't follow logic, sarcasm might work. Glad to see you are abandoning the good doctor though.
You really have made no point here other than to throw generalizations and stereotypes around, there is nothing constructive to your comments. If you really want a debate, go to a message board or a forum, not the comments of a blog. You are going way off topic. As I said, start your own blog and debate there, that way you can select the topic and run with it.
"For no RATIONAL individual would propagate and legitimize current society."
That statement says it all. Again, this is your opinion based on your worldview and if someone doesn't accept your narrow and intolerant worldview, then, in your opinion they are not individuals. Way to dehumanize people you disagree with. Again, give me a counter proposal instead of idiotic commentary and you might get a response.
Don't go away mad, just go away!
"Again, this is your opinion based on your worldview and if someone doesn't accept your narrow and intolerant worldview."
I may be intolerant but my perspective is not narrow. I think debating issues like Class separation, Global inequality and Global warming are valid area's where an individual can be intolerant of the opposite political camps. My side having the legitimate edge!:)
For me it's the whole heart of the issues.
Oh wait you do not believe these issues exit.
Would you rather me lie about my feelings and intentions, manipulate you're emotional condition rather then reasoned arguments in order to garner support?
OR
Would you rather have an genuine person using solid philosophical precepts and political knowledge attempting to convince you with reason.
"Way to dehumanize people you disagree with"
If you really feel victimized, I'm genuinely sorry, the real intent is not to dehumanize you but to deflate your ego a bit, and challenge you in you're understanding of who you think you really are.
Sure there are various aspects of our Micro-individuality and thats important, but making the leap from individual to "common individual", is an awareness that is hard absorbed.If you value you're flash in the pan existence, more then the continuation of this awesome application of existence, then you don't really value it at all. :(
I'm not just talking about our current lifestyle,
looking at a tree blows my mind!
I also think supporting the New Canadian Conservative Party is step backward.
Economic and political forces south of the border not Canadian values dictates that political parties agenda. Their electoral platform sounded like a "socialist scheme"! lol
Patronage, abuse of the grassroots, the prime ministers control of the party are the sins of both the conservatives and liberal federal parties.
NDP way to be
~wow that sounds so lame but it's true~
Lets see if the mice can take the reigns.
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This Hour slams whoever's in power. Did you ignore the show the entire time Cretien was PM?
Laugh at yourself, darling, and your party. If you won't, other people will, and then it's just insulting.
Notloz,
now whos being the absurdist? I'm not sure whats funnier, you thinking we spammed our own comments or you thinking you are making sense.
Someday scientist,
I agree that its good to have a sense of humour about these things, but I would have to say that Mercer does a much better job of making fun of everyone equally and being good humoured. I find others at the CBC are doing little more than putting vaneer over thier hatred for all things conservative.
Of course I could be biased. ;-)
A show like 22 Minutes will make fun of the government no matter which party happens to be in power. Get over it.
"I would also have to thank you for you're validation of my political and philosophical beliefs."
You must be pretty easy to validate if some Shmo on a blog who has no formal political and very minimal philosophical education can validate your entire belief system. Glad I could help though.
"The new discovery of fresh realities deserves to have new systems and idea's to adjust to these realities."
explain what these new realities are.
"I have proven you're rhetoric to be false"
Show me your proof.
"If you ever want to leave the fear and anger that consume you're political camp you know where to go."
where would I go?
If you leave the last comment on this thread, does that mean you win? You are unhinged. Please provide facts and logic to back up your rhetoric.
"It's easy for you to come up with an LOGICAL argument against anything I believe in."
Thanks for finally admiting your defeat.
Cheers
My advice to you all is to go out and buy a credibel books on basic economics. get of the anti-american bandwagon and realise that a utopian world is imposible. Sure there are many problems with the U.S, however I don't see americans rushing to live elsewhere. It is human nature to ones best interests. Adam Smith would have died an unsung hero if he pedled the argument that altruism led to the public good. The amrcians give much more to the world than they take. Not only does the developing worlds chance to flourish ride on the U.S but so much more. The U.S is the leading inovator in the world. I'm tired of Canadians acting as if they are on some higher moral ground because we support Kyoto, or because we have nationalized healthcare. People all around the world would kill to live in the U.S. You all stand back and critisize the U.S. What more people need to do is look at the reasons why the world is the way it is. Take an economic standpoint. Pull your head out of your ass. I know most of you came to your social awakening on campuses in fields other than ecnomics. English, socialogy, and women studies are ferile breeding grounds for all this socialist ullshit.
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This won't have effect in fact, that's exactly what I believe.
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